IVE Accused of Being Outclassed by ILLIT and RESCENE, and the Post Gets 81 Downvotes

A post titled "The generational shift in the female idol industry recently" claimed that IVE is being outclassed by ILLIT, RESCENE and A2O LITE, and the community voted it down hard: 21 upvotes against 81 downvotes.

The post framed its argument around five categories: digital points, broadcast points, fan votes, physical points and SNS points. It did not include figures in the version circulating, only the category headings and the conclusion that the newer groups are pulling ahead of IVE right now.

The replies mostly pushed back. The most common counterargument was that IVE's Jang Wonyoung remains in a class of her own as an individual, and that advertisers still look to third and fourth generation girl groups rather than to the newest rookies. One commenter argued that this demand is the clearest sign a real generational shift has not happened yet.

A few comments turned on the fandom itself, blaming older male fans for changing idol fan culture, while another took a swipe at LE SSERAFIM as a group past its peak. Those remarks are the opinions of individual netizens, not reported facts.

What Pannchoa users said

1. 1

   She'll never match Jang Wonyoung's career as an individual, lol.

   34 upvotes, 24 downvotes▲34▼24
2. 2

   Those middle-aged guys turned idol fandom upside down once they joined fan culture, and it makes me want to throw up.

   28 upvotes, 26 downvotes▲28▼26
3. 3

   Generations can change, but they'll never beat the careers of the third and fourth gen idols, lol.

   26 upvotes, 7 downvotes▲26▼7
4. 4

   Fine, then go ahead and beat them, lol. We have a washed-up LE SSERAFIM, and the industry is still chasing Jang Wonyoung, lol.

   25 upvotes, 15 downvotes▲25▼15
5. 5

   Industry advertisers are still looking for third and fourth gen girl groups, which shows a true generational shift hasn't actually happened in the girl group scene yet, lol. Who has a better grasp of reality, the middle-aged guys sitting at home or the people actually working in the industry, lol?

   23 upvotes, 6 downvotes▲23▼6